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John Kettnich states limited partners take an active stance on portfolio liquidity. Annual private equity distributions dropped to 10%, driving institutional investors toward collateralized fund obligations.
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Mature secondary funds provide reliable collateral because diversification across thousands of underlying companies generates cash on a weekly basis.
“If you think about mature secondary funds that get liquidity every week, some form of liquidity hits a mature secondary fund probably every week as they are diversified across thousands of companies. That is a good potential candidate for a CFO.”
John Kettnich, Secondaries Investor: Second Thoughts · November 2026 · Listen ↗
Limited partners historically waited for general partners to sell companies. Low cash returns over recent years forced investors to pursue liquidity directly through alternative structures.
“Historically you commit to a fund, you just can kind of sit back and in many cases LPs took the view, 'I'll sit back, I'll wait for my liquidity to come when the GP sells the company. I'll get my liquidity. It'll follow a certain cash flow profile.' That era, not that that's gone necessarily, but I think in the last few years LPs have been forced to take a bit more of a proactive stance to liquidity.”
John Kettnich, Secondaries Investor: Second Thoughts · November 2026 · Listen ↗
Collateralized fund obligations divide private equity assets into risk tranches. Insurance companies buy the debt sections for the credit profile, while equity investors retain the upside.
“There's a ton of demand from insurance companies that's come in because it's a pretty attractive credit profile, and so it just lines up different investors across the asset classes that we all operate in. It allows equity investors to keep their upside, allows credit investors who want that risk-return profile associated with the A, B tranches of these CFOs to get the exposure that they want.”
John Kettnich, Secondaries Investor: Second Thoughts · November 2026 · Listen ↗
Collateralized fund obligations require a minimum portfolio value of $500 million to absorb upfront fixed legal, structuring, and rating agency expenses.
Mature secondary funds provide ideal collateral because exposure across thousands of underlying companies generates regular distributions that resemble fixed-income yield.
Secondaries Investor: Second Thoughts · Nov 1 · Episode summary
Annual private equity distributions dropped from a historical average of 20 percent of prior-year net asset value to roughly 10 percent over the past four years.
Structured secondaries expanded from roughly 10 issuances a year before 2020 to between 70 and 80 transactions worth over $40 billion in 2025.
Secondaries Investor: Second Thoughts · Nov 1 · Episode summary
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