Why AppLovin Refuses to Hire Pure Managers
Rafael Vivas explains why AppLovin rejects delegation, requires its CTO to write code, and cuts middle management to maintain speed.
High School Dropout to Multi-Billionaire: The Relentless Drive of Rafael Vivas
With David Senra, Rafael Vivas · Sunday, November 1, 2026
Rafael Vivas recounts his journey from dropping out of high school and moving into AppLovin's original Palo Alto office to co-founding Lion Studios and scaling AppLovin into a mobile advertising giant. He and host David Senra discuss the company's anti-delegation philosophy, operational intensity, surviving a 90% stock crash, and the extreme attention to detail required to beat well-funded competitors.
Key takeaways
- AppLovin eliminated pure management layers: even their Chief Technology Officer writes and pushes production code while managing a 100-person engineering organization. Read more →
- AppLovin's market capitalization collapsed by over 90 percent after its IPO, falling from roughly $28 billion to $3.8 billion during a broader tech market downturn. Read more →
- Adam Foroughi pitched venture capital firms when AppLovin was already profitable and growing rapidly month over month, yet investors still passed on the company. Read more →
- AppLovin launched Lion Studios specifically to retaliate against distribution partner Cheetah Mobile, naming the studio after the only predator that kills a cheetah. Read more →
- AppLovin Chief Revenue Officer Mark Rosner reviewed and redlined over 200 commercial contracts himself without in-house counsel, and the company only lost out on one. Read more →
- Rafael Vivas dropped out of high school and left home at 16 after realizing his teacher earned $25,000 a year while performance marketing offered uncapped upside. Read more →
6 articles from this episode
How AppLovin Turned a 90% Crash Into Fifty Billion Dollars
AppLovin fell from a $28B valuation to $3.8B. Instead of cutting back, Adam Foroughi bought back shares and generated a $50B windfall.
AppLovin Won by Guaranteeing Double the Ad Revenue in Writing
Rafael Vivas explains how AppLovin beat venture-backed ad networks by prioritizing ad algorithms over massive sales teams.
How AppLovin Built Lion Studios to Make $250M in Two Years
Rafael Vivas turned partner betrayal into Lion Studios, scaling to $250 million in two years by pairing ad distribution with hungry indie developers.
Mark Rosner Redlined 200 Deals Without a Lawyer
How AppLovin CRO Mark Rosner trained Rafael Vivas to win by obsessing over contract details and standard of performance.
Rafael Vivas on Moving into AppLovin's Office
Why Rafael Vivas dropped out of high school, traded a bedroom for an office bunk bed, and helped build AppLovin into an ad giant.
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